Australia must look at itself in the aftermath of the Christchurch massacre
Geraldine interviewed Australia's top spy this week.
Nick Warner is a veteran civil servant of over 40 years. Over that time, the threats confronting Australia have changed and become more diffuse, which makes tackling the problem even harder.
Eliza is still very upset by the Christchurch massacre. It's prompted her to question whether Australia has a bigger racism problem that she thought?
She also believes that comparing New Zealand to Australia doesn't necessarily help the conversation.
The women also look back at Jakarta and discuss the joys of a "time affluent" life.
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Eliza Harvey is the host of Long Distance Call along with her Mum, Geraldine Doogue.
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